Who here agree that EU plan to ban all Indonesian flights is an exaggeration?
By Yahoo User • Category: Trademarks in EuropeApparently any airlines which belong and trademark to Indonesian company are no longer allowed to enter any European country. I personally consider this policy as a relegation and severe disadvantage to our nation. We try everything to promote our nation but somehow in vain because now our airlines were banned from Europe just for increasing air safety? How pathetic can they get? Its true that several unexpected accidents occur on most Indonesian flights but we are not the worst. Accident could happen anywhere and anytime.In case of any doubt: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6248490.stm
I don’t agree, either. It’s not a fair decision for Indonesia.
It definitely seems to be extreme. It could also strain Europe-Indonesia relations. Perhaps if the Indonesian airlines prove that they will better regulate their plane’s safety, Europe will once again allow them to enter.Hopefully the Indonesian airlines and European Union will be able to work this out so that flights from Indonesia may once again enter Europe.
I agree with you. This might effect the current relationship between Indonesia and the EU. Indonesia is a strong country. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono should reject EU’s plan. If EU refuses to hear from Indonesia, Indonesia should ask help from countries such as Russia and China, who also have relations with the EU.
Accident could happen anywhere and anytime, but we can prevent it by making a good system. That’s what we are lack of. I mean, none of our airlines made the best qualification on the last assessment. If we are not the worst in terms of accident, then don’t let it be. Let us fix our system first, then we can talk about anything else.Indonesia has a lot of potential, but we are not on our best. Too many people say that Indonesia is a great country, but we are not doing great, sorry to say. We need to reevaluate.
First just a correction from what I read from the news, Indonesian carriers do not currently fly to Europe, but the ban serves as a warning to consumers not to use these airlines elsewhere in the world. If there is any Indonesian airlines that might fly a little far from home, it would be Garuda. This banning might be over reacted, I wanna say disagree as Indonesian but if I’m taking their point of view, getting the bad records and safety concerns on Indonesian airlines, I can understand why EU do this. Indonesian airlines hopefully will reform their service and safety so they can compete with the other country’s airline. Based on my flying experience, I can quickly compare that Garuda is way too far behind from our neighbour’s Malaysia airlines, Singapore airlines and Thai air. One can give a first judgement only from Garuda’s shabby official website (that just a little bit improved after the accident) it’s still totally inconvenient to find any information in it. These other asian airlines even they have lower price for their service.As for the service to their customers, my experience with Garuda was awful! I took a transit in Singapore to fly to Semarang. The staffs were cruel to “Indonesian typical face” costumers. I have a typical Javanese face and I happened to have the same flight with a group of TKW. While waiting in line to check in, I finally reach the front line. Then a new counter was opened. The counter lady was not paying attention to the front while saying “next customer, please…” of course I step up to it. She was somehow busy with something on her hand for a while and then finally I got her attention, she raised her head, looked at me, and with surprisingly raised voice she said: “Hei darimana ini?” (with artificial Malay accent and a “judes” tone, and a very unpleasant face) she continued yelled to her colleague (a man, standing between the counters wearing Garuda uniform) . Pointing her finger to me, she repeat the similar questions: “Hey, Pak dari mana dia ni?” .I was shock and feel so disrespect. I have NEVER have this kind of treatment and felt this degraded in my frequent flying with the Japanese Airlines, China airlines and Singapore airlines. So this is how Garuda treat their own country’s customer? What the f***!! moreover I didn’t do anything wrong! I don’t understand what was that stupid lady’s problem!At the time I had been away from the country for years and I was really missed my hometown and family. And I got the reminder of our impair attitude of Indonesian people too early in Singapore! I was so pissed and I yelled back asking about what she meant. She looked at me and turn her hesitate look to a “bule” man behind me. The “bule” was smiling , shook his shoulder and gave the ‘I-don’t-care’ and ‘how-am-I-got-into-this’ look on his face, then giving a hand sign of “go ahead”. I was like more “whaat…??” what was that look on her face to him about? then still with a grumpy-frowning face she asked my pasport. And I suspect that when she found me not a TKW and just taking transit there the frown was slowly gone, transformed into insincere-looking smile. I then observed that they treat TKW different than the other passengers who were seem to visit Singapore for holiday or doctor visit. I can see that their voice tone, face and their body languages when giving direction and information were so picky and degrading. They should treat their customer with respect equally no matter TKW, rich people, common people or whatever. Remember that costumers are the king and they’re just the servant!Near the boarding gate, Garuda provide some computers with internet service that didn’t work. Some people including foreigners tried to use it ended with disappointed faces. I suspect that those computers were just decorations @_@.I couldn’t complain with the in flight service. It was better, the stewards were nice despite the food was so-so. Then when we reached at Ahmad Yani airport, while waiting the immigration line, another shocking thing happened. They dropped some passenger’s baggages from their car while transporting them to the terminal. It really gave a loud banging sound! Everybody In the line automatically turned their head to the source of sound and start mumbling, worrying the condition of their bags. The staff just pick the bags from the asphalt and throw it back to the car. Thanks god I found my bag fine. This is just my bad experience with Garuda, but plus many other experience with the Indonesian airport staffs it is a really bad package of Indonesian air transportation ^^;. What a bad manner of an airport staff who check the luggage for x-ray giving comment on the passenger’s bags contents? anyway, I think Indonesian airlines really should make a big revolution on their service. The point is I disagree, but I do understand why EU gave the warning. Just copying the statement of Indonesian ambassador to the EU, Nadjib Riphat Kesoema: “We hope that the European Union can also give us the opportunity to improve”.Even I think costumers are smart, even if they don’t get the warning, they will choose the most convenient among other options that available. Survival of fitness law might also apply here, airlines with the best deal for the costumer will survive while other will extinct or going bankrupt unless they evolute fast.
According to the article that I read (link provided below), the Indonesia’s top civil aviation official was late in delivering the latest data to the European Commission. The EU did not have any data to review, and thus decided to ban the flights as safety precautions.Well, isn’t it just showing how things are handled and administered in Indonesia? While other airlines from all over the world hurried submitting their data, apparently this Budhi Suyitno dude was snoozing off his alarm, or playing gaplek, or having too much fun at Inul’s concert, or who-knows. In the end it turned out that he submit the paperwork late.I once turned in my homework late, and got zero for the assignment. So it’s not come to me as surprise that EU plans to ban all Indonesian flights. As a matter of fact, I praise their action. Let this be a lesson for the Indonesian people to appreciate time (i.e. no more “ngaret”) and take matters seriously.
Yes accidents can happen.But recently they appear to have happened all too frequently in Indonesia’s Aviation Industry, and anyone who plans to travel will tend to choose the least risky option. The EU’s ban does not just single out Indonesia, many other airlines have also been banned. It’s down to the Indonesian Aviation Industry, and perhaps it should be under government edict, to get its act together.Indonesia has great potential in many areas, but in most cases it is simply under-achieving. It’s not enough to just talk the talk, Indonesians have to start walking the walk!
I fully agree with the EU decision to ban Indonesian registered airliners from entering their airspace.Sad but true, Indonesian airlines, especially those owned privately such as Lion Air, Merpati Nusantera Airlines, Jatayu Air, Sriwijaya Air, Batavia Air, Wings Fly, Adam Air etc have a very very poor aircraft maintenance and flight safety record.Personally, I’ve flown on most of these airlines during my 14-day visit last year for business and I had some truly hair-raising experiences on two Indonesian airlines- Wings Fly (Batam to Jakarta) and Batavia Air ( Surabaya to Jakarta). Following these, I swore never to fly any Indonesian airline again, including Garuda Indonesia.Indonesia is a signatory to the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and the International Air Transport Association (IATA) and the various conventions, treaties and pacts that were signed by member states of these two organizations, to make air travel safer and protect the rights of passengers as well as airlines.Sadly, for some reason, the Indonesian government has allowed many airline companies operating from that country to flout these air safety regulations, which has resulted in the EU taking a serious view of such lapses. Obviously, Indonesia being a archipelago needs a cheap, fast and efficient mode of transport and airlines are the best solution. Yet, not at the cost of the lives of passengers. Remember the Adam Air accident earlier this year??? How many lives were lost because of poor maintenance of aircraft?Aircraft spares and maintenance are expensive but human lives are more dearer. For the sake of cheap airline tickets, we cannot overlook the cost of a human life.Admitted that accidents can happen anytime and anywhere but if you look at the aircrash statistics in recent years, most have struck military aircraft, ill maintained chartered aircraft from poor nations, mainly in Africa and South America and budget carriers such as Adam Air etc. http://www.planecrashinfo.comSay….would you rather fly back home safely or are willing to sacrifice your life for a cheap air ticket???
they are crazy.if terrorist wanna bomb any country in europe, they can just take any airline